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- Chamfort

Someone inspired me to quote this today:

"Art gives man a reminder that he is not just a consumer but a creator as well. It awakens in him the urge to struggle and perform great deeds; it fills him with the craving to pass on the Promethean fire to generations to come".

- Stanislaw Lem

“My only wish is…to transform friends of God into friends of man, believers into thinkers, devotees of prayer into devotees of work, candidates for the hereafter into students of the world, Christians who, by their own procession and admission, are "half animal, half angel" into persons, into whole persons.”

- Ludwig Feuerbach

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- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“Such as are your habitual thoughts, such also will be the character of your mind; for the soul is dyed by the thoughts”

- Marcus Aurelius

“...love is knowing all about someone, and still wanting to be with them more than any other person, love is trusting them enough to tell them everything about yourself, including the things you might be ashamed of, love is feeling comfortable and safe with someone, but still getting weak knees when they walk into a room and smile at you.”

(anonymous)

“This life's dim windows of the soul
Distorts the heavens from pole to pole
And leads you to believe a lie
When you see with, not through, the eye.”

- William Blake

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“What is life? An illusion, a shadow, a story, And the greatest good is little enough: for all life is a dream, and dreams themselves are only dreams...”

- Pedro Calderon de la Barca

“The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality."

"Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of character and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man."

- Arthur Schopenhauer

“The philosopher has never killed any priest, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.”

- Denis Diderot

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Originally posted by Evolutz
@Atma :
Schopenhauer was quite cruel, too. He has once beaten his house-keeper quite
badly.

Humankind is the crown of creation (?).

Well, surviving always includes doing harm to others. And I´d say it´s worse
to harm a human than to hurt an animal.

Animal-rigths can only exist in a society that is without any great problem.

And I think vegetarianism isn´t the "right" way - we are born `omnivores`.
Naturally born killers.

Well, I think it's bad to hurt anyone no matter if it's animal or human (tho, we are all animals).

I don't eat meat for over 14 years now... and believe it or not, I'm still alive. I think that if I can survive without meat... why should I eat it? Anyway, I guess everyone has a piece of brain, and is doing what he thinks is right. For me the right thing is to treat animals with respect. I've seen so much cruelty towards animals and I think that the comparision: abattoir = concentration camp is wellchosen. I've never seen a worst beast than human kind..., and I am not pretending to be a moral hero, I'm only human too, I can't change the world, tho I'm trying to change myself. This is sth I think is right. So I do what is right imo. Nothing more nothing less.

PS. I think that the biggest problem of any society is that it's easier for them to take things as they are than to try and change them. Like for some it's easier to believe in god than think for themselves (imo).

“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”

- Giordano Bruno

I'm an atheist, so the bible is not much of an authority for me. Tho, because every day I must deal with lots of strange philosophical theories, I had to read the "holy" pages (damn bloody ones). But if for you the religion is somehow important then I'm sure you've heard about a person called Saint Francis of Assisi who's a patron of animals (brotherhood of all creatures) and environment (...)

Respect for animals is not about any ideology (tho, I don't look at this in such categories), it's a matter of an individual character. And there are lots of things that ppl could learn from animals...

Also, there's not much of a common sense in the sentence you wrote: "In a world with billions of people without enough food or other bad living conditions it is - in my eyes - a bit perverd to think of animal-"rights" (...)" - cause there's simply no need to choose one instead of the other. Helping animals, and respecting their rights does not exclude helping ppl. The truth is that production of animals for food is far more expensive than production of plants. If all the money that go into meat industry could be spend for veg food, the world would have much more food for everyone. The problem is that the meat industries will never let it happen, cause ppl who rule them don't want to bancrupt... and so on.

I'm not an idealist in that matter, I said: I know I can't change the world, I'm trying to change myself; and I don't force anyone to do what I do (it never works this way). But for sure I'm a realist. Money rule the world.