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Originally posted by Evolutz

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Hallo again. Nice ones. You look like a German. Don't you find that all nations look different? The Brits, the French, the Germ's, the Scandinavian... etc. It's very interesting phenomenon

oh no, we all DO look quite the same - and yet there are some many variations between one "people"... and yes: sometimes it seems like there is
a typical "englishman" or the typical italian women... but:

well: the turkish girlfriend of a friend of mine just looks like a french girl (like Atma)
Most times I can guess quite well, where students have their origins;
as far as eastern Europe is concerned, I usually are right. But I´m afraid that
I only recognize eastern europeans (esp. women) because they have a style of
their own (they even walk differently than german woman!; I guess that´s due
to different ways of "emancipation"). But I´m not sure if I would still recognize
them as eastern europeans if that wore the same stuff like german students.

But just think of ther Bergman-rule : animals in cold surroundings are bigger/taller
than animals which live in warm habitats - the same goes for people:

The average scandinavian is ought to be much taller than someone from the
mediterranean.

But there aren´t any "nations" left, esp. in Germany, the middle of europe,
where we´ve got a big meltingpot of genes...

Me for example: I have several origins: Franconian, Prussian, Kaschubian ("polish"-
finno-ugric), Scottish ancestors... .

So where is the difference? And wait some more years : the globalization isn´t only a economical term, but an evolutional process, too.

But in the end : land makes the people (as they adapt to their land).

Place a Scandinavien in the sahara and wait some thousand yers: his skin will
get darker over the time; the same goes for heavy pigmented people :
place them where there isnt that much sunlight and they will get lighter and lighter.

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Original von Atma
I was looking throught this thread, wanted to see you all, but somehow I can't see most of the pix. Just the red "x"... hm...

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Originally posted by Evolutz
But just think of ther Bergman-rule : animals in cold surroundings are bigger/taller
than animals which live in warm habitats - the same goes for people:

The average scandinavian is ought to be much taller than someone from the
mediterranean.

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Originally posted by erichazann

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Originally posted by Evolutz
But just think of ther Bergman-rule : animals in cold surroundings are bigger/taller
than animals which live in warm habitats - the same goes for people:

The average scandinavian is ought to be much taller than someone from the
mediterranean.

Bergmann's rule does apply to people for the most part, but not in this way. For one, bigger does not always mean taller. In the case of Bergmann's rules and animals, bigger means having a larger mass. Polar bears are the perfect example.. they are large, but compact, and have a small surface area relative to their mass. They can generate a lot of heat, and keep it in.

Actually, tall slender Scandinavian's don't "make sense" under Bergmann's and Allen's rules.. because of their increased surface area they lose heat more rapidly than a stockier person of the same mass. Their body shape, is not well suited for the extreme cold. The tall, slender physique is the kind of body, that, under Allen's rule, you find in equatorial Africa... more surface area to let heat escape, to protect the body from hyperthermia. Way inside the Artic Circle, you'd find the Chukchi people and others (Eskimo-like) that prove Allen's rule: short, stocky, with short limbs and body fat concentrated around the abdomen to keep the vital organs warm.

Don't know what my point is here.. didn't want to turn this into Anthro 101.. but I just thought I'd throw it out.

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Bergmann's rule does apply to people for the most part, but not in this way. For one, bigger does not always mean taller. In the case of Bergmann's rules and animals, bigger means having a larger mass. Polar bears are the perfect example.. they are large, but compact, and have a small surface area relative to their mass. They can generate a lot of heat, and keep it in.

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Originally posted by kleineRatte
@ Mieshka, Vorbedacht & lushmachine:
Thanks for re-animating this nice thread again.
You all look great! :-]

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Experimenting with ISO / shutter speed / capturing limited field of depth. If I can get a grasp on it before the Haujobb show on 11/9/2007 in Denver, then I will post the results here somewhere.